Big Redevelopment Announcement Coming, County Executive Says
Baltimore County Executive Kevin Kamenetz is expected to announce a large development project in Owings Mills.
(Updated, Nov. 10 at 6:16 p.m.) The Owings Mills Mall will be torn down and redeveloped, Baltimore County Executive Kevin Kamenetz said. Read the full story on Patch.
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Baltimore County will announce a "large-scale redevelopment project in Owings Mills" at the Historic Courthouse in Towson Thursday, a county statement said.
The statement said a "very significant economic development" would be announced.
A county spokeswoman declined to comment further, but County Executive Kevin Kamenetz has spoken since the spring about using the under-construction Metro Centre and future development at the old Solo Cup property as a way to jumpstart the rest of Owings Mills business, including the Owings Mills Mall.
“We’ve had some conversations with the owners of the mall, which I initiated last May,” Kamenetz told Patch in September. "Stay tuned."
County councilwoman Vicki Almond, along with councilman Ken Oliver, have been deeply involved in discussions about development in Owings Mills.
In September, Almond said Kimco Realty may take over the mall and turn it into an open air shopping center with "medium box" stores.
And she said last week that she thought mall owner General Growth Properties, Inc., was hearing from other potential buyers.
"I do believe there are people looking at it. I really do believe that part," she said at the time. "I don’t know who."
Given the number of projects in the air, Almond and Oliver introduced a resolution at a county council meeting in September that would have created a community committee to discuss the future of the area.
One goal was to have a conversation about finding a way to connect the different areas, either by trails or through another form of transportation.
That resolution was pulled in October, though, after Almond said it was decided the group didn't need to be a formal one. Representatives from Stevenson University, Garrison Forest School and McDonogh School were all expected to sit on the committee.
Meanwhile, community leaders announced at Monday's Reisterstown-Owings Mills-Glyndon Coordinating Council meeting that the Solo Cup Property along Reisterstown Road and Painters Mill Road would be turned into a "small scale Hunt Valley" Towne Centre by developer Greenberg Gibbons.
The anchor of that development is expected to be an upscale grocery store, and former ROG president Mary Molinaro said Wegmans, Whole Foods and Harris Teeter were all options.
A spokeswoman for Whole Foods, however, said the store was not looking to open a location in Owings Mills. Messages left at the corporate offices of Wegmans and Harris Teeter were not immediately returned.
A General Growth Properties spokesman declined comment on the Owings Mills Mall in September, and since then neither General Growth Properties nor Kimco Realty have responded to requests for comment.
Kamenetz's announcement is expected at 1:30 p.m. Thursday.
Jeffrey Freedman
5:54 pm on Wednesday, November 9, 2011
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that 1.) The announcement is not about the mall, and 2.) If it is, the mall is not being sold to Kimco Realty, who would likely not consider community input from those who DO NOT want the mall to be demolished. It seems that the mall lately has a renewed energy with the opening of new stores and a large amount of public interest. Demolishing the mall (as Kamenetz seems to want) would be a very poor decision consdering that at least 1/2 the community does not want it to happen, but instead want to see the current mall improved.
Trixie Leigh
8:53 pm on Wednesday, November 9, 2011
I think turning the mall into what Hunt Valley is now, would be a step in the right direction. Look what Hunt Valley Mall was and now is! What a wonderful difference. Owings Mills Mall became a place where it was unsafe to shop due to all of the crime. If they turn it in to an open space shopping area, crime would drop due to the open air appearance and folks would come out again to shop as they would feel safer.
Jeffrey Freedman
9:00 pm on Wednesday, November 9, 2011
The statistics that Alex Pyles posted from 2010 have proven that the mall is not unsafe. It is only the perception that many in the community have. With an outdoor shopping center, there is no temperature control, and with concerns about crime, outdoors may even be perceived as more unsafe. This concept worked well in Hunt Valley, but with the location being the primary concern of many, there is no guarantee that this concept will also work in Owings Mills. Also, if the new shopping center being built in place of the Solo Cup plant is to be built in the same style as the outdoor shopping center in Hunt Valley, I don't feel it would make sense to have two of the same concept blocks away from each other.
ddbs00
8:04 am on Thursday, November 10, 2011
Unfortunately, perception is reality and people stay away from the mall because of their perception of it. I'm not sure any amount of statistics or PR can save the mall as it currently exists.
BluePeace
9:34 am on Thursday, November 10, 2011
Jeffrey, I agree. However, I have (in my travels to other states) seen such happen and work. Apparently, a "syngergistic" affect occurs when similar concepts emerge. I guess it will all depend on the market and whether the market can support such. I think what would matter is how "similar" the two uses would be and what would make one "uniquely" different than the other - that's the difference. Maybe one center could have a different scale/quality of stores than the other center. I think it could work just fine.
mel
9:25 pm on Wednesday, November 9, 2011
Hey Jeff, No one gives a crap what you think. Are you member of the executive team of the developers or sitting on the Board of Directors ? if not, then you have no vote. I'm sure that the developer has done a demographic study of the area and figured out what will work in the area. The developer does not need to consult you or Vickie Almond to put in his mall.
Jeffrey Freedman
10:33 pm on Wednesday, November 9, 2011
Apparently Mel, you have no class and no respect for others. If you don't have anything kind to say to others, then keep it to yourself. While I completely respect the viewpoints of others, I feel very strongly about the fact that the mall needs to remain in its current form. Apparently people DO care what I think! If they didn't, then why during the Patch poll did 1/2 of the community agree with me that the mall should NOT be torn down. I don't have to be part of a Board of Directors or part of the ownership of the mall to make a difference. There are many who will listen to interested citizens if they want their businesses to be successful, regardless of their opinions. Apparently, there is a difference of opinion, and that is something that you also need to respect.
Judith Wolfe
7:21 am on Thursday, November 10, 2011
Right now, our roads can't take any more traffic. Is Mr. Kamenetz going to widen Reisterstown Road, Owings Mills Boulevard, Painters Mill Road?
MomInRtown
9:25 am on Thursday, November 10, 2011
Its about time! Can't wait to find out what this is. How long has it been we have been hearing about the mall...
BluePeace
9:29 am on Thursday, November 10, 2011
He may support such, after traffic studies and analysis are done to determine what improvements are necessary and where they should happen in advance of this redevelopment. Hey, Judith, why not ask your governor to widen the roads? He would probably be more than happy to support such after he raises the state gas tax. What a wonderful governore we have!
Alexander Pyles
9:51 am on Thursday, November 10, 2011
Judith, Kamenetz asked the state for help in creating an access road at this site a couple of weeks ago. Here's the story I wrote: http://patch.com/A-nqGd. And here's the story from Tuesday, which says developer Greenberg Gibbons could build a four-lane access road from Painters Mill Road, which will run along the back side of the current Solo Cup property: http://patch.com/A-n5Qm.
BluePeace
9:24 am on Thursday, November 10, 2011
Jeffrey, with all due respect, how in the world can the mall (in its current condition) survive? Occupancy is low, people do not shop there as they once did and the negative perception about the mall being unsafe is real - I have talked to many people who simply do not want to shop at the mall because they have said, to me, that's they dont feel safe there.
It's best to re-invent the mall and redesign the site into something new that would reinvigorate the area and spur some excitement. I think it can be done, but it has to be done in manner that makes sense and can be successful.
I personally would love to see a portion of the property redeveloped into a community park, with a man-made lake surrounded by a walking path. With, perhaps, the rest of the property used for retail and whatever else the market demands.
Jeffrey Freedman
4:33 pm on Thursday, November 10, 2011
BluePeace, you make a lot of good points. However, it should not be ignored that 1/2 of the community still supports the mall and wants to see it improved in its current form. A new shopping center would still be on the same land, so I can't imagine how people would feel any safer there. In my opinion, the announcement (clearly spearheaded by Kevin Kamenetz for political reasons) shows that this is a sad day for the mall. Hopefully some of the other politicians will care enough to listen more to community members and take into the account that many of us still want the current mall to stay standing, and that the idea of an indoor mall is not completely out of fashion.
Sheila Brosman
11:25 am on Saturday, December 10, 2011
I think rebuilding a mall in the same location is a waste of money and
within five years the mall will come down yet again. What does the
county executive think will change? Fundamental thinking, why do
the same thing and expect different results?
The internet is the new mall for shoppers, lower overhead and expenses
offering convenience to the customer.
I believe the location would better serve the people in Owings Mills
if the builders would construct a hospital or cancer institute in that location
The would not only provide jobs and revenue to the area, but also
provide the citizens of Owings Mills what is really needed.
Jeffrey Freedman
3:14 pm on Saturday, December 10, 2011
He seems to expect that since the outdoor shopping center is now in style, it will prodice different results. As much as I would like to see this project succeed, you are correct that there is no guarantee. And we will also have shopping at the Metro Centre and Foundry Row in the near future. A different type of project could get better results. I think they should just keep the current mall (or at least part of it), and then add other businesses/services to what is already there.