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Gunman Emerges from Crowd, Shoots Off-Duty Officer

The following information was supplied by the Baltimore County Police Department. In cases where a criminal charge is noted, the information provided does not indicate a conviction.

 

An off-duty Baltimore County Police Department officer was shot twice in the Overlea area Sunday morning after a gunman emerged from a crowd.

At 3:24 a.m. police found the officer, suffering from two gunshot wounds, at Dale Avenue and Danwood Road, according to a report from Baltimore County police.

Police found out that a "large group of people" had been blocking the street, and that the off-duty officer had "stopped his vehicle and asked them to move so he could pass," the report states.

"A male emerged from the crowd with a gun and fired several shots into the victim's car, striking him twice," it states.

The officer was taken to Shock Trauma with non-life threatening injuries, and was released.

"Investigators believe that the incident was random and the officer was not targeted," the news release states. 

Police had investigated an earlier incident in that area.

At 3:17 a.m. they went to Dale and Kenwood avenues for the report of a fight.

Police continue to investigate. To report information, call Baltimore County police at 410-307-2020.

Related Topics: Dale Avenue, Danville Road, Kenwood Avenue, Overlea Crime, Parkville Crime, Police, and Shooting

Needaname

12:56 pm on Sunday, December 9, 2012

... just another day in Rosedale. Just keep the stuff over there.

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Donna Wilson Miller

1:26 pm on Sunday, December 9, 2012

Really? Do you honestly believe that ANY area is immune to these types of crimes? Even money-rich Towson has had its fair share of senseless violence and crime. Where is it you live that makes you feel so isolated and safe?

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Needaname

7:57 am on Monday, December 10, 2012

OH NO Donna Wilson Miller - we have our problems over here. Our Towson Peeps like KK chose to throw the bar owners under the bus, instead of the Promoter who promoted an event on FACEBOOK and encouraged the kids to attend who is he still 'owed' an event to. We had a regular party over here awhile ago if you had not been reading the Patch ! UNBELIEVABLE. Last week we had a 16 year go crazy with a mini-van on a uniform police officer.... and this is just stuff that has been in the papers.

Steve

1:09 pm on Sunday, December 9, 2012

I bet he won't do that again.

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Needaname

1:13 pm on Sunday, December 9, 2012

Do they have the gun man in custody ? How do they know it was random ? This kind of behavior is why they want to take our guns away. Nice going Shorty !

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Chillin

1:17 pm on Sunday, December 9, 2012

Looks like Delegate Pat McDonough has driven the roving gangs just over the County line.

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Scott Sewell

2:54 pm on Sunday, December 9, 2012

That's an assinine take on this. Don't blame the gunman, try to make political hay by trying to drag in Del. McDonough. Moron!

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Chillin

3:37 pm on Sunday, December 9, 2012

Chill out Scott. Relax. My comment was meant to be playful. Of course, Del. McDonough had no hand in this incident. I found his recent and controversial “roving bands of black youth in downtown” comment amusing and was making light of it. I like Del. McDonough, I wasn’t attacking him. My point was rather to emphasize that these type of incidents that have typically occurred within city limits seem to be trickling outward. Of course Pat is not the cause, but rather a lack of proper upbringing is the cause, and programs like Move To Opportunity, Section 8 housing and a failed judicial and penal system are perpetuating the problem. I was hoping a screen name Chillin’ would reflect my playfulness to guys like you that get unnecessarily serious. My best wishes in the police officer’s recovery.

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Brandon

7:11 am on Monday, December 10, 2012

To Chillin. Maybe its not a failed judicial and penal system, maybe its a failed education system and cuts to after school and recreation programs that allow the societal deterioration that brings is to a place where young people feel they need to carry guns and shoot at police.

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Needaname

8:15 am on Monday, December 10, 2012

Brandon - I thought these Kids did not know the victim was a cop. The story 'the officer was not targeted.'

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Joe

11:17 am on Monday, December 10, 2012

"maybe its a failed education system and cuts to after school and recreation programs"

Since when did no after school bball lead to random shootings of motorists?

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jackblasio

1:39 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Thanks for explaining...Chill-man...lol

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Chillin

2:17 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Brandon, you are correct in that I didn't include a failed educational system. Though I believe many jurisdictions have failed school systems and after school programs, I also believe that the initial downfall begins when bad parents send there bad kids to school and teachers and administrators are left with no choice but make policy changes geared toward rearing kids rather than simply educating them. academically. They can't do it all. Something has to give.

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Arbutus Town Crier

8:36 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Chillin If your going to "be playful" make sure you put LOL or ROFL so your not taken seriously. nobody can see your emotions .....To know more so you will be misinterpreted: http://textetiquette.com/

Covington

1:43 pm on Sunday, December 9, 2012

And, into the Cockeysvile / Hunt Valley area !

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Pat Foster

1:57 pm on Sunday, December 9, 2012

Hey Neeaname! I sure hope the off duty officer makes a full recovery so he can keep crime away from you! Some people say the stupidest things!

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Grace B.

3:18 pm on Sunday, December 9, 2012

The wealth has been spread over the entire state.

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Needaname

7:49 am on Monday, December 10, 2012

I truly believe the kids have become so desensitized playing video games. Look at the age group doing the shooting. I wonder if these kids went to a shooting range if they would get the full impact of what a bullet can do. PLUS - mixed with anxiety, uncertain employment opportunities, drug and alcohol use, no coping skills.... This is a serious issue.

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jackblasio

1:41 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Yes it has...poverty (mentality) as well....

Tim

3:59 pm on Sunday, December 9, 2012

3am on a weekend in Overlea - not the ideal place to be. Glad the officer will make a full recovery. Hope it's a speedy one as well!

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Needaname

12:28 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

IT SHOULD NOT BE THAT WAY - Nobody should feel UNSAFE at 3am anywhere !

Seal Team 2

5:55 pm on Sunday, December 9, 2012

If i was a police officer and was off duty I would have lights installed in my personal vehicle that could be utilized in these types of events to alert whoever it is I am approaching that I am in fact a police officer

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JD1

6:09 pm on Sunday, December 9, 2012

All the more reason to drive around with a full clip and do society a favor

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1ke

2:28 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Bust 'em, JD. That's right. Flash grenades and some real firepower on Kenwood Avenue.
http://bit.ly/X16s5t

Steve

6:52 pm on Sunday, December 9, 2012

I would bet he had a full clip and it didn't do him any good, Rambo.

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JD1

7:23 pm on Sunday, December 9, 2012

Steve - you libs are so weak. Testosterone gel is probably covered by your insurance - go for it

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AzureSkye

8:48 pm on Sunday, December 9, 2012

OMG!! Wish i had said that ! Thanks for making my day JD1...lmao!

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Steve

9:27 pm on Sunday, December 9, 2012

Never heard of Testosterone Gel JD. It that what you Old Fools are using in the gym these days?

It's must be making for a weird breed of Old Men. Fat Guts, Big Arms and Bird Legs...

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jackblasio

1:44 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

"Testosterone-gel?"...does it work?...ahaha!!!

Lablover

8:32 pm on Sunday, December 9, 2012

First off glad the officer is ok and hope he has a speedy recovery!

Seal Team 2, Officers are not allowed to have emergency equipment in their personal vehicles.

Steve, It appears as if the officer was "ambushed" by the suspect just walking up to his car. I'm sure if the officer had the opportunity he would have used his service weapon or personal weapon (if in fact he was carrying one at the time). Unlike Baltimore City Police officers the officers employed by the Baltimore County Police Department are not required to carry a weapon at all times. Of course now you're going to say something like "he will from now on" and it doesn't surprise me that you didn't even suggest the officer recovers quickly or something like that.

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Seal Team 2

9:41 pm on Sunday, December 9, 2012

Question: Baltimore county not required to carry, Can they if the want to carry?

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Lablover

1:56 am on Monday, December 10, 2012

Seal Team 2, Officers have the option to carry their service weapon or their department approved personal weapon if they want to while off duty.

AzureSkye

7:31 am on Monday, December 10, 2012

My husband carried his firearm (concealed ) all the time , before He retired from the BCPD....it's your choice. Now living in NC...He still carries it but... doesn't have to be concealed here. We are both wishing a speedy recovery to the wounded Officer !

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Mark Patrick

7:34 am on Monday, December 10, 2012

"at Dale Avenue and Danwood Road," I'm guessing they meant Danville Avenue, not Danwood?

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Gina Haddix-Whiteley

9:10 am on Monday, December 10, 2012

I live not even a minute from there I live a street over from there. I will not be living there for long. I have 3 young children and I will not expose them to this. I see it coming into the county almost every day. I just moved here almost 2 yrs ago, but I had lived in the same area about 5 yrs ago and I have seen a major difference since then for the worst. Very disappointed!

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Nancy Eubert

9:19 am on Monday, December 10, 2012

This is just insane to think that someone would do that just for asking them to get out of the way so they can get through. I didn't know where it was located and googled it, gosh it's a one way street. So glad the officer is recovering and hope they find who the shooter is. How crazy are you to just shot someone like that? It's awful. This person is building some really bad karma.

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1ke

2:33 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

People fighting in the middle of the street in the middle of the night? What to do when you can't get by?

Throw it in reverse and nail it.

Buck Harmon

9:33 am on Monday, December 10, 2012

Weird shit tends to erupt from such crowd gatherings ....always has....nothing new, just publicized at bit more efficiently...
Healthful thoughts for the Officer..

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Needaname

1:00 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

SURE DOES - look at the craziness in Towson 2 months ago - it was unbelievable. Kids all over the place - and the marijuana smoke was so heavy - there was a haze in the air. If this was a movie it might have been funny - but real life - very scary situation. I am not a fan of the police - but I was saying my prayers for those guys that night.

cantgoforthat

10:47 am on Monday, December 10, 2012

The people who leave are just as big a problem as the people committing these crimes. Stuff like this happens a lot less in neighborhoods that residents invest in and care about.

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jaci

11:12 am on Monday, December 10, 2012

To Brandon...What????? the educational system???? What happened to the parents responsibilty to raise law abiding citizens?

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Buzz Beeler

11:42 am on Monday, December 10, 2012

Hope the officer is OK. Parkville and Overlea used to be a nice area until Dutch, Smith and Kamenetz got a hold of it.

Now just another part of the city.

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Bill Bralove

11:47 am on Monday, December 10, 2012

I have seen this type of groups forming on community streets all over the county, I would appreciate guidance from the police, or others on how am I as a lone driver supposed to react when the road is blocked by youths. Should I stop and wait for them to decide to move? Should i honk my horn and aggravte them further? Should I speed up and scatter bodies along the roadside? Should I call 911 and report armed gangs blocking the street and hope that the swat team can arrive in 1-2 minutes. Should I jjust stay home and turn the strrts over to the youths?
This situation is the norm rather than out of the ordinary. Baltimore County Police need to respond with appropriate warnings of how to react when your neighborhood is under seige.

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Joe

11:53 am on Monday, December 10, 2012

Many would tell you to submit to any aggression toward you. Be a sheep in effect.
I say hit the dam gas if threatened and drive to the nearest police station and file a report.

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Needaname

1:03 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Joe - what do you 'submit to any aggression ... be a sheep in effect' .... now I am scared ! eee

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Chillin

2:31 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Bill,
I would suggest that anyone running into this situation look for the quickest out and call 911 with an exaggerated description of the crowd. "unruly crowd", "fighting crowd", "gun wielding crowd", "shots fired". Any of these descriptions should get the police out there pretty quickly, and they would hopefully arrive with draw pistols. If this fool pulled his gun 10 cops should be able to make swish cheese of him pretty quickly.

Needaname

12:41 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

My most unpopular suggestion - and I know firsthand HOW UNPOPULAR THIS SUGGESTION IS - get rid of the Video games. Six years ago I made the decision to purchase an XBox 360 because I did not have enough money for gas, motel room for 2 nights and ramen noodles - our annual mini-summer-vacation to OC. After one year of watching my Kid and his friends go from pick-up basketball games, soccer games, football games, skateboarding and BMX bikes to Zombies in front of the TV with the Games. I resorted to hiding the XBox - it rarely saw an appearance unless it was a weekend and believe me, I never heard so much carrying on. It was an addiction. On another note, rarely out in the country do you see an XBox game. Rarely do you hear of a shooting. I think the kids should also take a REAL gun class. The country kids are used to guns, and what a gun can do because most of them hunt. They KNOW first hand how a rifle works and the damage it can do. There is NO curiosity. The person who did the shooting obviously is immature and un-educated in owning a handgun - otherwise, what was the point in the shooting to begin with.

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jackblasio

1:52 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Isn't it still "wrong" to jump out of a crowd, to shoot anyone? Is it right, just 'cause the cop was not in uniform?!!... It seems that anyone on the streets, especially at 3:000am, packin' a firearm is prolly up to good ... in a crowd or not...

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moe green

6:29 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Always remember,
It is called the second amendment, not the second suggestion.

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Pat Foster

6:34 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

Needaname you are a crazy person! Get a life you are on here all day long! WEIRD!!

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Needaname

6:18 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012

What is WEIRD is that you are stalking me. Get a life !

str8xtc

8:10 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

What if this was a civilian trying to drive down the road? Would the outcome have been any different? Would the outrage be this enormous?

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Me

8:41 pm on Monday, December 10, 2012

I agree with jackblasio. Since there's a dearth of information in every article I've read about this crime, (i.e., The questions not answered: How large was the crowd? Was it teenagers or adults? Men or women or both? Do they live in the area? If not, where are they from? Was this a gang initiation? Was the gunman and his accomplices in this crime arrested? Was the firearm registered? etc.), one can only assume that, at 3:00 in the morning, a "large crowd" is blocking the road, and what? Looking to give people directions? I don't think so. I contend that they were LOOKING for someone to shoot, and that officer was just their "lucky" target.

And what of the dearth of information? Why aren't those questions being answered? What are they trying to hide, and why are they trying to hide it?

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monique wilson

7:13 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

What area with a lot of whites are immune???there kids still stealing their parents guns taking them to schools killing people..cuz their family is disfunctional

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monique wilson

7:17 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

No where is safe county or city..so get over it..the bible speaks of all of this...the world is nearing to the end

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PerryHallCrafter

8:34 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Wow, what a loony statement. Oh yes, the end is nigh!

Buck Harmon

9:08 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

When will the next level begin..??

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The Mole

10:29 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Black people Huh?A white kid answered the door in his underware on the news and the owner of the house has been living there for over 30 years.

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Steve

10:39 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

There goes the "Beeler Theory of Destabilization" right down the toilet...

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Buzz Beeler

11:58 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

According to people across the street it a mixed race house.

Buzz Beeler

12:00 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Hey Stank, color has nothing to do with it. Class does. Trash is trash. It does take a brain to comprehend that though - the meaning of destabilization.

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Buzz Beeler

12:30 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Stank, it means that a mixed race couple or couples were there or reside at that address according to comments.

Did you and Steve eat yet? Save your plastic forks.

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Buzz Beeler

2:19 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Stank, I'll say this slowly so it's easy for you. Read the comments. The person said there was a mixed race couple within the home.

Another said it was all white. The commentator left the impression that there were a mixed raced couple who are family that were there. Another referred to a TV video tape that showed a w/m at the door.

Just setting the record straight. What people do is their business except when you shoot someone for attempting to drive down an alley.

It's more of a class issue. I would not describe it as a classy habitat, like where your spending your time.

Steve

12:35 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

I already ate at Bluestone. Nice place great food, great service..

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Buzz Beeler

2:09 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

They don't use plastic forks at Blue Stone and you can leave when your done.

Buzz Beeler

2:37 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Stank,why the quotes around "white house"? Are they special.

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Steve

2:39 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

I did leave. I'm not really sure what you are trying to get at. I'll just chalk it up to your increasingly bizarro behavior.

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Buzz Beeler

3:57 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Stank, you honestly think that people would get the two mixed up. Are you sure your not referring to the big house?

You don't capitalize "President", unless you are referring to a particular one, i.e. President Obama.

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Buzz Beeler

3:59 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Stank, you honestly think that people would get the two mixed up. Are you sure you're not referring to the big house?

You don't capitalize "President", unless you are referring to a particular one, i.e. President Obama.

Buzz Beeler

3:33 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

My question is are you two serving time? If not can prove it? This is the fifth time I've asked this question. Some of your recent comments with others indicate you are.

Frank what kind of sentence is that, the one you just wrote?

Who gave you the name Stank. Is Steve Stank 2?

What I'm getting at Steve is that I think your are incarcerated judging by some of the comments between your friends, the ones that like you.

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Buzz Beeler

5:27 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Two brilliant answers from a couple of guys who's teeth chatter when you mention one name.

You certainly aren't professionals judging by your comments on another topic and you both always comment together and around the same time. You seem to be very popular wherever you are but very weak and unable to defend yourselves.

Frank, I didn't hear that tone on the other topic to the person speaking to you.

Very strange banter going on there.

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Steve

7:48 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

"Two brilliant answers from a couple of guys who's teeth chatter when you mention one name."

C'mon admit it. You're just jealous because we still have teeth..

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Buzz Beeler

9:43 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Stank, you and Stank 2 didn't seemed too bothered by being told you were cons. I guess you have more important things on your mind like who's next in line.

It - hurts - me to think you two have to suffer like that. It's an outrage!

Typos really turn you on don't they? But then again, you are what you are. Not much to hang your hat on even with me picking up your tab.

You don't need to use quote with the vaulted one.

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Buzz Beeler

12:21 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012

I'm in the history books and you're in prison. Got the rules change and stopped another corrupt cop. Not bad for days work. It's funny they never raided that place again. I stopped them their tracks.

You should read the case in 72 when they fired me over the length of my hair and I won that one also.

Stank 2 you don't need to capitalize "Disgraced Police Officer." I never saw someone so inept. You don't have a clue. How do you survive in there?

Don't forget to sleep with one eye open and make sure you use a mattress. They said your very frail and might slip through the springs.

I want a percent of the cases you sell. Better yet you keep it. That will almost give you ten bucks if they don't steal it from you.

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1ke

5:24 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012

All right, Off. Beeler, who set the fire that burned Mimi out? Or was it electrical?

It is kind of clear that you are then, as you are now, argumentative and shooting from the lip. Everybody has a history and everybody is in it.

Steve

12:30 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012

Wow! "Don't forget to sleep with one eye open and make sure you use a mattress"

I think he has in British parlance "Gone round the bend."

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moe green

5:49 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012

beeler was, for the most part a SHP, station house police. all talk, no action

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Buzz Beeler

9:38 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012

Another city flash mob at work. Don't worry Obama will feed and cloth you tonight.

Balt Observer

6:36 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012

LOL...good old "Stank"/"Mitchum". How's that massive investment portfolio, "Stank"? Did you just return from a trip to the Amazon? ROTFLMAO

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Steve

8:59 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012

LOL "Massive Investment Portfolio" I think this Nutter has gone 'round the bend as well.

1ke

7:50 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012

On the floor again. TTH, too.

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Buzz Beeler

9:33 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012

Balt their like a flash mob, but Obma will take care of them, feed and cloth the whole crowd. They lie all the time.

As far as Mimi's I did not know of any fire while I went there. The reason the whole thing got started was that the band Joy left the Golden Horn and went to MImi's. FC lost his crowd and vowed to shut Mimi's down and he tried using one of the Sgt.'s in the area. I long with the FD and FOP stood up and after they filed a departmental charge against me the FOP appealed it to the circuit court.

I got tired of the people calling us crooked and stood up. I got my hand slapped but the rules were changed and they never tried to shut down another club on a phoney complaint.

One night I was assigned to a FD marshal and they still shut it down even though the FD Lt. told them they could not.

I fight the battles where they occur.

It's sad that these guys whole lives revolve what I say. "You can't stand the truth," the line goes and all this is more city trash.

1ke

9:00 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012

Say it ain't so, moe. There goes Buzz Beeler, my last childhood hero.

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Buzz Beeler

9:46 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012

Hey Frank better look in the mirror cause that is the face of your crowd of society, not mine. It's genetic.

I don't tan that well.

http://dundalk.patch.com/articles/man-charged-in-bel-air-murder-held-without-bail

You destroyed Baltimore City runined the county what's you next stop.

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Steve

9:53 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012

"Hey Frank better look in the mirror cause that is the face of your crowd of society, not mine. It's genetic."

Okay everybody, get out your pointy white hats!

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Buzz Beeler

11:14 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012

Golden Ring, White Marsh, Owings Mills, the Light Rail, what's next Frank? Oh I forgot the Seven Elevens and the Inner Harbor.

Wait until the tax cuts. Frank new tennis shoes will be fliplops.

Do you guys ever work? Oh, sorry everything is Obama Care.

If I don't respond your pack will dry up and blow away. You can't put together a useful complete thought. Lies and trash is about all you know, the whole pack of your group.

I'd love to see you rap a little, the sheets I mean. "The Suicide of A Superpower."

Name me one thing your life that you did that made a difference, just one. And you wonder why people like me have the opinions we do.

Ask you buddy Robert Armstrong about his and your gutter talk towards me that started a long time ago? All useless and dependent.

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Steve

1:25 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

"How many homicides in the city each year? What's the percentage of unwed mothers?"

There is absolutely no correlation or causation between the two.

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Buzz Beeler

1:44 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

How would someone like you know. You can't even read.

How you ask - CULTURE!

Steve

1:51 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

More Beeler BS. You just make this stuff up.......

More BOBB "Take a look for yourself and they left out the actual footage."

So what are we looking at? A dramatization of kids in a 7-11?

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Steve

2:02 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

Was it "culture" that caused these angry white people to flash mob the WalMart?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=utXSnstSCos#!

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Buzz Beeler

3:43 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

In your link, you see anyone assault another person, steal, rob, cuss, commit a crime. There was one comment on the Walmart link. You spell it Walmart, not WalMart!

Now take look at theses links and tell me what you see. I can't say what I see. It would be politically incorrect. I do see assualts, robbeies, looting. theft ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS_9GoxotF0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRsf4yX13bA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKSpnfyN6sI

Actions speak louder than words.

I don't condone any kind of uncivil behavior. It does appear to be a difference
If you Google both white and black flash mobes it is 1,080.000 regarding white and1,540,000 involving black.

I don't condone the Black Panthers or the KKK. It's simply a matter of right and wrong. Yes there is a low cultured white class of people.

I think the visual links speak for themselves.

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1ke

4:02 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

Those visual links do not speak for themselves, not even close. Anybody who drifts through America ignoring the mistrust, resentment and hostility that some Black people may have in relation to White people may get cursed, beaten, kicked or robbed. If you don't know how to conduct yourself in situations that are not just plain "mind your own business", you ought to just keep your White self where you belong.

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Stiffy McDermott

4:12 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

Blacks represent about 12% of the US population but commit upwards of 50% of all violent crime, include murder.

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M. Sullivan

4:38 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

Oh, you did it now, Stiffy! You start spitting out facts and you're going to get called a racist and bigot around here. People can't stand the truth.

1ke

4:52 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

And Blackness is the variable, right? If that is the variable--not size of hands, not height, not favorite food--do you have a theory about why that is? Sounds like it would be easy for you to stay safe in your White America.

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1ke

4:58 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

Anyway, six times as many Black men ages 20-34 are incarcerated as White men of the same age. What do you think about that, M. Sullivan? Nothing about you being a bigot or racist either.

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Buzz Beeler

4:59 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

Hey 1ke, that was a brilliant statement and you just admitted that blacks act like the videos reflect and are telling other U.S. citizens to stay our of certain black areas because they don't know how to act. How to act to keep from being attacked by an angry mob of ...

What do you mean by saying " If you don't know how to conduct yourself in situations that are not just plain "mind your own business", you ought to just keep your White self where you belong."

You are a danger to society and are why we are in the shape this country is in. You had to put a lot of thought into that response.

Your are an absolute wonder. You have less brains than I thought. In fact you belong in a special category that state it's all right to rob and assault others because they are in the wrong area.

So I was right all along we are dealing with ...

There you go Frank I was right about you and your friends or should I say mob.

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1ke

5:22 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

Who said it was all right? You want to get your White carcass home in one piece or not?

Just giving advice. This is America and though you are not responsible for making America what it is--but maybe partly responsible for keeping one teeny tiny part of it how it is--you have to learn how to live here or move to Utah/Idaho/Montana.

Just trying to help since you lack important coping skills.

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Buzz Beeler

5:53 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

I go by facts and I quite capable taking care of myself. I deal in facts.

Fact one is the most evil man in modern history was Hitler and he was a w/m. The worst murderer in he modern world was Stalin, a w/m.

Accountability is what I look at. Your are responsibility for your actions. This is not American when you have to be afraid to go out at night for some people. It has become a divided nation in order that politicians can stay in power. They pander and pass out the goodies. How can you lose. You call M. Sullivan a racists because he reports the facts otherwise known as the truth.

If that is the case how can you explain well over 90% of blacks voted for Obama? You think race entered their mind?

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FIFA_archived

6:59 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

Buzz you are an idiot, over 90% of blacks voted for Kerry and Gore. You are just stupid.

1ke

6:22 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

I called no one a racist. To address YouTube vids:
1. create a panic with a give-away on the strip where high school children pass, something might happen
2. try to lock people in a building, you will have a fight on your hands
3. stuff a camera in the face of grieving people, you might get hurt

Go where you want whenever you want, but there is a subset of things that you can do when you get there that can entail unpleasant consequences.

Sounds like just plain logic. What on earth does Hitler and Stalin have to do with this?

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Buzz Beeler

9:28 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

FIFA, a very bright observation for a slow one. Two whites ran against two whites. Bush was a Republican. You think you wanted the free ride voting for the Democrats. It's all about the free stuff. You know he $300 sneakers.

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Buzz Beeler

9:53 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

If I was a racist I would be defending the actions of these despots. I'l say it slow so you get it, I just look at the reality of the facts. You can't argue death, it's for certain.

Balt Observer

8:41 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

"Stank" the frail teenager reeking up Mom's basement, Ike the ailing hospice dweller dawdling on his last legs, and Fido the disgusting junkyard mutt that likes to get dragged through the dirt. What an obscene and abominable orgy of desperation. ROTFLMAO

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Buzz Beeler

9:36 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

Frank your slipping. Your bulb is burning out. How is it racist when it's on film? I'll make sure the camera man waits until there are some whites there. The truth always hurts those who have no accountability or are so blind they can't see or comprehend. What an insane statement. I guess you're going to say I forced them to act like that.

There's a difference between racism and the truth. You wouldn't understand being a dim bulb.

1ke

9:11 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

Back on the floor in grovel-posture...here pooch.

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Balt Observer

9:33 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

And on cue, here comes the hobbling hospice dweller and his penis lover now. Which one of you loverboys wants to be laid out first? LMAO

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Buzz Beeler

9:48 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

Two of the biggest losers I've ever seen. Lie over and over everything is my fault and neither one of you have any guts. You just want those $300 sneakers. Noting else matters.

You look at it right in the face of anarchy and can't see what's going on. Because of people like you this country is dying. We are broke. Wait until Obama takes away some of your goodies.

What a president! One of his buds is Google's top dog and he just dumped billions overseas to avoid paying his taxes, but Obama wants to give him a cabinet post.

Reminds me of Jeff and G&E his job czar who company shipped tons of jobs overseas and paid zero in taxes. He goes to NJ and says help is on the way and then splits for a fund raiser and hasn't been back since.

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Balt Observer

10:05 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

LOL...the "Stank" sure likes the taste of gravel in his mouth. Get up and take some more punishment, "Stank". Your butthurt is just beginning.

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Buzz Beeler

11:41 am on Friday, December 14, 2012

1ke, where is you prof or link to this comment.

If what you say is true than the president controls issues dealing in allowing companies to ship our jobs overseas and use sweatshop labor.

I ran for office to make change in a hose of unfair issues and I lost. The people were satisfied with the present system. I just sit back and say you got what you voted for. I ran against a white man by the way.

This is why I say our nation is in trouble. You tell me what you see?

http://essex.patch.com/articles/34-individuals-face-state-and-federal-drug-trafficking-charges?ncid=newsltuspatc00000001#photo-12574814

Steve

11:33 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012

The annual number of crimes committed by White Males in the United States exceeds the total number of crimes committed in the entire of Country of China.

How's that for some statistics?

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Buzz Beeler

12:06 am on Friday, December 14, 2012

Hey Stank you must have really gotten it tonight. This is the U.S. not China.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

You'll have to read this. There are so many stats on black crime ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_in_the_United_States_criminal_justice_system

Here's another one. The numbers are staggering, but remember you brought it up.

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1ke

6:03 am on Friday, December 14, 2012

I think the wheels are turning and that Buzz Beeler's Unified Field Theory of Everything is ready to hatch.

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Buzz Beeler

10:55 am on Friday, December 14, 2012

1ke, you and Steve related or does capitalizing everything make you special or are you two siameses twins.

Instead of debating my statements all your group can do is make wisecracks.

Come up with some theories on these issues or challenge the numbers or history.

Say something intelligent instead of repeating my typos time and time again or your continued wise cracks.

Look up the word debating.

1ke

9:51 am on Friday, December 14, 2012

Of course, you know that that the shoes are termed "Dopes". http://bit.ly/Th0C0f

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Buzz Beeler

10:41 am on Friday, December 14, 2012

No I did not know that. I just look at who wears them.

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Buzz Beeler

10:46 am on Friday, December 14, 2012

Frank, can't believe you are that lame. All you had to do was Google the price and find out they are not $300, just a $189.

Stop spending so much time looking for typos and try research. It keeps your mind sharp

Buzz Beeler

11:24 am on Friday, December 14, 2012

First, I don't look at the shoes. I just see the pants around the knees and hear every other word of MF. Must make you grow taller.

Now judging by the video and Google I would say there are a significant number who wear them. These comments concern both black and white. For you I'll say it louder, IT CONCERNS BOTH BLACK AND WHITE. Did you hear that?

You see the difference between you and I is you don't know the difference between the word bias and facts. That, by definition makes you a racist.

"1. racist - based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks".

You assume everything I say is racist because it does not agree with you no matter what factual information I use. You do absolutely no research to counteract what I put forth other than your opinion which is nonexistent. You're too busy looking for typos, that you also make and instead of debating the facts you offer wise cracks.

May I ask what theory 1Ke/Steve/Robert Baum or whoever debunked. If I made a comment based on a theory I would have stated same. Now explain what theory you are talking about and how it was debunked?

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Buzz Beeler

11:42 am on Friday, December 14, 2012

1ke, where is you prof or link to this comment.

If what you say is true than the president controls issues dealing in allowing companies to ship our jobs overseas and use sweatshop labor.

I ran for office to make change in a hose of unfair issues and I lost. The people were satisfied with the present system. I just sit back and say you got what you voted for. I ran against a white man by the way.

This is why I say our nation is in trouble. You tell me what you see?

http://essex.patch.com/articles/34-individuals-face-state-and-federal-drug-trafficking-charges?ncid=newsltuspatc00000001#photo-12574814

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1ke

12:04 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

Prove what?
1. Sports are televised?
2. Professional sports depend on television revenues?
3. Athletes wear shoes, endorse them, and get paid?
4. The shoes are made in Asia?
5. Stores stage door-buster "sales" to get people in the door?
6. Stores and the companies that make shoes make money.
7. Companies that make shoes are publicly traded and have shareholders?

Do you really want me to cite references for each of these propositions?

I think it is time to change the hose still again, if that's the case.

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1ke

12:51 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

....the accepted sociological definition (which is commonly used in academic research, and has been used for more than a decade now): "racism is prejudice plus power". What this means, in easy language:

A. Anyone can hold "racial prejudice" -- that is, they can carry positive or negative stereotypes of others based on racial characteristics. For example, a white person thinking all Asians are smart, or all black people are criminals; or a Chinese person thinking Japanese people are untrustworthy; or what-have-you. ANYONE, of any race, can have racial prejudices.

B. People of any race can commit acts of violence, mistreatment, ostracizing, etc., based on their racial prejudices. A black kid can beat up a white kid because he doesn't like white kids. An Indian person can refuse to associate with Asians. Whatever, you get the idea.

C. However, to be racist (rather than simply prejudiced) requires having institutional power. In North America, white people have the institutional power. In large part we head the corporations; we make up the largest proportion of lawmakers and judges; we have the money; we make the decisions. In short, we control the systems that matter. "White" is presented as normal, the default. Because we have institutional power, when we think differently about people based on their race or act on our racial prejudices, we are being racist. Only white people can be racist, because only white people have institutional power.

http://bit.ly/XmHCgG

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Buzz Beeler

1:09 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

Good comments and research, but I feel now is not the time for debate with the mass shooting that just took place in in a Connecticut elementary school. I could be one of the worse in the nation.

The suspect was wearing a vest and it appeared preplanned.

Children were killed as many as 18 per reports.

Our thoughts should be with the victims and family.

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FIFA_archived

2:19 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

I expect the gun nuts are on the way to defend the "right" to bear arms. Nothing "right" happened today in Connecticut.

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Sanchez

2:33 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

But not as fast as the anti civil rights glassbowls will use it to further deny the rights of others. Thanks for proving that already.

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FIFA_archived

2:38 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

Glad to help Joe. You should go to Connecticut to help.

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Steve

2:44 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

Don't worry Joe, nobody is trying to take your Man Maker.

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FIFA_archived

2:55 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

Joe, who is going to give the 18 kindergartners that are now dead their right to life back? All so you can have a gun?

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Sanchez

3:05 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

Not one of these poor victims Fifi gave their lives so anyone could have a gun. Thousands before them have given their lives so we all can exercise the rights God gave us and the people guaranteed by insisting it be secured in the Bill of Rights.
The also gave their lives so you could exercise your God given right to speak so ignorantly toward others so consistently, and that too was insisted on and written into the Bill of Rights. So thank all those that came before you that have protected your right to be free to sound like an ass.

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Sanchez

3:07 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

Fifi, just look at these deaths as retro active abortions which you have no problem with. Oh, and thanks again for proving my point about you being first.

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FIFA_archived

3:18 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

Joe=joey=Sanchez, your sanctimonious speech is revolting, despicable and simply sick. I guess your speech was stopped at Patch's door, eh? You are a pathetic excuse for a human being or a dog as the case may be.

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Sanchez

3:31 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

Now Fifi has lost his mental capabilities as well and has gone off the deep end since his quiver too is empty.
You can dish it out Frank and Fifi but when it comes to taking it like a man, well, just not up to the task are you?

Poor boys. Isn't it nap time for you 2?

Sanchez

3:06 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

Manhood Stevie comes from standing up and being a man, something you never learned how to do.

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FIFA_archived

3:20 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

I'll take a Steve any day over a chicken hawk like Joe.

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Sanchez

3:33 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

But Fifi will NOT say anything to Frank for accusing me of murdering children will he? That shows who you are Fifi, a sniveling coward.

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FIFA_archived

3:36 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

joey want his daddy to protect him from Frank. Poor thing. You are a sniveling self absorbed small insect Joe. Go back in your hole.

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Sanchez

4:20 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

Fifi proved me right again. Thanks for your support Fifi. Seems something has angered you sensitivities and you can't take what you dish. You are not a man in my world.

Sanchez

4:21 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

So now Frank is accusing me of murder? Is that what you have lowered yourself to Frank? And all this time I didn't think you could actually GET any lower.
What a man you are Frank.

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1ke

11:57 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012

This might be the funniest series of posts yet. Just admit that you are amazed at the turn of events.

Another crazy white boy committed mass murder with semi-automatics, who after the deed was done and the adrenaline tailed off decided to do the only sensible thing and kill himself.

Hate each other if you want but there are more serious issues for right now.

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Buzz Beeler

8:23 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012

You sound like this is a ball game. Look guys! See what this white dude just did. See were winning now. Take a count.

Mental illness was a major factor and from some reports it might have been personal. He killed his mother and then killed all of those she taught.

You cannot predict insanity and it bears no color.

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Buzz Beeler

9:25 am on Saturday, December 22, 2012

They made an arrest in that shooting and here's the link. Steve should pay special attention.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-co-officer-20121221,0,2765148.story

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Buzz Beeler

10:42 am on Saturday, December 22, 2012

Like I said Frank, not a very bright bulb. You sound like Steve just plane lame.

Do you really think that is funny?

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